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When 90% Say No To No Avail, It's Not Democracy
Published on April 21, 2004 By mikimouse In Politics
The US is leading the charge against Spain and saying their actions are a victory for the terrorists. But of course that is the ignorant way of looking at it. Let's think. What's democracy? It's being able to vote for representatives who will represent them. One-person-one-vote. We know this. So when 90% of Spain was telling their politicians: "Don't send the men to Iraq without the UN, don't send them to war or false pretenses" and their politicians sent them anyways to suck up the US, that's not democracy. The huge majority of Spain said no, so their leaders should have listened. The new leader has acted like a true representative of his people. As opposition leader, he said if elected he would recall the troops back to Spain. And he did. When was the last time a US president followed through with his pre-election promises? Think about it for a year. Good luck. Thank the Lord there is a government somewhere who actually listens to its people and responds in kind. Sending troops to Iraq over huge majority protests was a travesty of democracy which should have infuriated the free world. But instead an act of true and real democracy is villified as wrong and they take to cowardly position by saying it's supporting terrorists. I don't support terrorists. I support democracy. Do you?
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on Apr 21, 2004
Kudos to Spain for catching them, too.
But really, in the long run, you don't see it causing problems?

Back to Democracy......miki, I see where your at on this. I do.
Your right......geesh, did I just type that? Democracy did prevail in Spain. And maybe the Iraqi people should learn a lesson from them.

Don't ask me where I went with all the other stuff...you mentioned Spain....I went everywhere else with it....call me crazy, it's OK.
on Apr 21, 2004
"miki, I see where your at on this. I do.
Your right.."
*gasps and then faints to the floor in a heap*
on Apr 21, 2004
Three cheers for democracy. I love Spain, beautiful country, beautiful people. Not a fighting bunch, though, too busy getting chased through narrow streets by irate bulls. Frankly, I saw no reason for Spain to have been there in the first place. The other superpowers, Honduras, Dominican Republic, now that may cause a rift or two. Hopefully, now that Spain has recused itself from the combat, maybe they can send over some wine. I'm really in the mood for a cool Sangria, because there's more to life and death than just killing. It's alcohol. And Julio Iglesias. And Julio Jr. "To all the girls I've loved before..."
It's the same old pacifist rollover tactic. Granted, the Spaniards are lovers, not fighters, but there will come a time. The pro and con arguments are still the same. Frankly, it gives me a headache. Muslim (extremist) rule dictates that land once ruled by Muslims shall always be ruled by Muslims. That would be Spain. Opinions are like onions, everyone has some. Democracy is good and it worked in Spain. Consequences, on the other hand, are the result of not looking down the road while you're speeding. I don't believe anyone should fight if their heart isn't in it. Bygones. But, I'm becoming quite tired of getting sucker punched by the pacifists whose ideals don't involve the freedom of all people. It's high time you lily- livered, whiny, punks and punkettes sit down and shut up. I could give a rat's whisker what your political affiliation is, who you like or not, if you believe in conspiracies or no, freedom is universal.
on Apr 21, 2004
So if we are upset with a country's choice, even if it is the majority, then we are anti-democracy? One can still support democracy and think that the majority of a nation made a stupid decision. Still, I'll remember this when you criticize a decision supported by the majority of Americans.
on Apr 21, 2004
crazy lady,
My congratulations.....this is the first time (on my relatively short time on this website) that I have seen anyone change views based on the logic of someone elses argument. Normally both sides snipe at each other from their respective trenches. You seem to be truly open minded.....that is something of great value.

In your last reply you say 'maybe the Iraqi people should learn a lesson from them. ' One thing we should consider is that we have all beeen born and brought up knowing democracy, in fact it is the only system we have known. The Iraqi's, on the other hand, have never known democracy. Even without vested interests trying to corrupt the process it is going to be a very difficult time for them. Above all the people have to want democracy and for this to happen, they must first understand what it is. You cannot just impose a democracy on people.
on Apr 21, 2004
whatever baby but you can't spin real democracy. 90% said no, they did it anyway = not democracy. They say no, they listen and don't send the troops, = democracy in action. My point is that it's up to the people right or wrong to choose their nation's destiny. You think of the US as the empire who can bend basic beliefs just to suit the flavor of the day. And please don't say you think the US has a majority when supporting the war. 54% or whatever. Loadatripe.
on Apr 21, 2004

Reply #19 By: Super Baby - 4/21/2004 5:21:08 PM
So if we are upset with a country's choice, even if it is the majority, then we are anti-democracy? One can still support democracy and think that the majority of a nation made a stupid decision. Still, I'll remember this when you criticize a decision supported by the majority of Americans.


Criticizing is one thing, trying to stronghold and guilt trip the government into going against the will of its own people is another.
on Apr 21, 2004
*claps for shadesofgrey* Insightful.
on Apr 21, 2004
You think of the US as the empire who can bend basic beliefs just to suit the flavor of the day


I do?

And please don't say you think the US has a majority when supporting the war. 54% or whatever. Loadatripe.


54% isn't a majority?

Criticizing is one thing, trying to stronghold and guilt trip the government into going against the will of its own people is another.


Reminds me of gay marriage advocates. How is the U.S. pressuring the government of Spain to support the war with troops? Unless it's something bad like a coup, I still don't see anything wrong with applying pressure.
on Apr 21, 2004
54% is not a majority. It now has to be a super majority, just like the Dems in the Senate do when appointing a Justice. Isn't that right girls?
on Apr 21, 2004
Unless it's something bad like a coup, I still don't see anything wrong with applying pressure.


You are right that it is not as extreme as a coup, but the guilt trip (I'm so disappointed that the Spanish government is giving into the terrorist) is a blantant disregard for the democratic will of the Spanish people. Spaniards spoke, their government listened. The US government should respect that.
on Apr 21, 2004
It now has to be a super majority, just like the Dems in the Senate do when appointing a Justice. Isn't that right girls?


why the "girls"--simply because I disagree with you doesn't mean you have the right to belittle me by referring to me as a "girl"--I would never say, Isn't that right boys? I'm more than willing to debate you ON THE ISSUES but only if you remain respectful and that comment was not.

But, back to the issue--depending on how the poll question is ask, the results are dramatically different. Check out Link to see what I mean. When asked if how President Bush was handling the situation, 54% disapproved (with a 3% margin of error), but when asked if it is still worth fighting 51% said yes (same margin of error).
on Apr 21, 2004
Sorry, grey, not intended to disparage you. I can't help it if you are a pessimist. Only you can prevent pessimism.
on Apr 21, 2004
I can't help it if you are a pessimist. Only you can prevent pessimism.


how am I a pessimist?

on Apr 21, 2004
51% is still a majority, however thin. Take into account the 3% margin to the negative, that would be 48%, right?
conversely, 3% to the non-pessimistic would make it even bigger than 51%. Right?
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